Australia v India: third men’s cricket Test, day five – live | Australia cricket team

Occasional bursts of sunshine here in Brisbane. Still plenty of clouds about too. We’ll see who wins. Should be a resumption at some time, on current form.

“Loving the OBO coverage even if we aren’t getting much cricket,” writes Mark Ferguson. “To stir the pot a little, why do we need draws in cricket? Boxing leaves it up to judges if there is no result within the allocated time, why couldn’t we do the same in cricket. Have the umpires (or independent judges) award each session and the team that “wins” the most sessions of an otherwise drawn match would be awarded the win. The “traditionalists” will hate it, and their tears are delicious. The Bazballers will love it because the team that drives the match forward will win in situations like this where a lot of time is lost to rain. Would love to hear your thoughts.”

Interesting one! Let’s throw that to the crowd, see if we get any responses. I know mine, but I’ll share that a bit later.

Well, the covers have come off. Umpires out there poking around. So maybe we’re a chance to get back on.

Thanks for all the emails, been keeping me entertained while nothing is happening.

Enjoyed this from Nick Campton on Bluesky:

Me when there’s a rain delay in the city I live: Well, that’s unfortunate. Nothing you can do about it though. Hope the farmers are getting the rain, poor buggers

Me when there’s a rain delay anywhere else: This is a moral failing of this city of heathens, God punishes us all for their wickedness

Byron Ellis writes in. “Looking like we might be racing towards an anticlimax, following the final session heroics of Bumrah and Deep yesterday. Are they still displaying gambling ads at the ‘Gabba with all this rain? Is there a betting market on how many overs will be bowled before stumps? If not, they’re really missing opportunities to perpetuate social harms.”

I’m sure all the agencies have been pumping out updates about the draw since day one…

We’re going to have the lunch break from midday local time, which is five minutes from now. So we’ll see if any clean-up becomes possible 40 minutes after that.

“Speaking of AI it generally fails most cricketing tests I’ve set,” says Matthew Saxon. “I couldn’t even get it to tell me Cummins’ highest Test score correctly. When told it was wrong it would come up with a new wrong answer which was even further from being correct. On being asked to review its methodology it agreed it was approaching it incorrectly. Then when asked the question again in this context it reverted to its first incorrect answer. Surely has to be some money on designing a UI for one that just admits when it doesn’t know. Would save some computing power! Have to admit though it does a good job correcting my PowerShell scripts.”

That does sound very much like what I was talking about! The fact that people are now treating bots as search engines is causing a lot of misinformation spread.

In terms of who might be departing the team soonest, I think that Starc has only got better in Test cricket the last few years, and is still only 34. He’ll be 35 at the end of the summer. So, could comfortably have another year or two and should play the Ashes next year.

Hazlewood is a year younger, turning 34 in January, but has had many more injuries in recent years.

Boland is 35 but hasn’t played much Test cricket so is probably fresher than others at that age.

Cummins is only 31 and still has several years.

Smith is 35, and has been well below his peak for a few years, so it’s a matter of whether something like his hundred in this match can give him a boost and get some bigger returns for the next year or two.

Usman Khawaja has had the leanest run, top of 33 in his last 10 hits, but has still played some important hands as an opener in just surviving certain dangerous spells, shielding the next players in. He’s also the oldest, turning 38 today. (Happy birthday.)

“In my non-AI assisted opinion (based on several years of practical research as a low grade “village” suburban cricketer) – here are my predictions for the conclusion of this sodden match,” writes Greg Wood.

• There is a 99% probability of beers being on ice in the Australian dressing rooms.

• There is approximately a 70% probability of those beers being consumed within the next three hours when the captains and umpires call this off.

• There is approximately a 50% probability of the Indian team being invited into the Australian rooms at some point this afternoon to share a couple of cold ones while watching rain fall.

Elska Alexander writes in. “The Guardian OBO has been a wonderful way to ‘watch’ Test cricket while chasing inbox zero before the holidays here in rainy California. The Brisbane test has been incredibly frustrating for everyone (players, ground staff, fans – especially those who showed on up day 1). If it’s impossible to predict weather far enough ahead to schedule and impossible to have reserve days which tie up everyone, is it possible to get a roof over Test cricket stadiums? If not, why?”

“There are a lot fewer Test matches than ODIs and T20s to begin with. Of the ones that happen, few elicit the level of excitement this series or the Ashes generate. If this tiny subset of test matches that are interesting is weather-affected, then where does Test cricket go? Roofing should be a reasonable solve – especially if the alternative is to refund 50-100K fans? And if tennis can afford it…”

I think you’re right. The main issue is that cricket grounds are a) very big, so it’s more expensive than roofing rectangular football grounds or tennis centres, and b) old, so they already exist without roofing.

Bearing in mind that cricket and Australian rules football use the same ovals and have the same dimensions, there is a roofed Aussie rules stadium in Melbourne (the Docklands one, not the MCG) and there will soon be a second roofed stadium in Hobart when they build the new one there. Docklands has hosted international cricket, and Macquarie Point probably will, with a clear roof to let sunlight through and keep rain and wind out.

So yes, it can be done, it just costs a lot of money. And you can’t retrofit roofing, really, to stadiums that weren’t designed to have it. You pretty much have to rebuild or at least substantially remodel the whole ground. Which could happen in a Gabba redevelopment if they go ahead with one for the Olympics, or a new stadium over the river, but probably any state government will be trying to reduce costs rather than be ambitious.

Still raining at the Gabba, if you were wondering.

“Expanding on the selecting-players-with-dubious-fitness thing, I’m not sure why the selectors aren’t using injury as an opportunity to blood new players,” says Rowan Sweeney. “Before too long all of Usman, Smith, Lyon, Boland and Starc will all be retired, and without some forward planning, or extreme good fortune, the crunch will be real. It seems to me that bringing in a debutant to cover an injury is a great way to have, as you said earlier, a free hit. Who knows, giving players an opportunity to fully recover may even extend the careers of those players listed above…”

Debutants during high-stakes series though still have to be good enough to perform. So you go for your next-best player, I think. Boland has earned the right to be the next in line by being so consistently good when selected. His age is less important than having enough reserve players, whatever their age.

I think you’re right about there being a crunch coming, though. Hazlewood might not make it much longer with all these injuries. But when you’ve got great players who are still good enough, I think you largely have to keep picking them and take your chances somewhat with the next generation, who you develop as best you can the level down.

“Thanks for the great coverage of this series,” writes in Ivor Shapiro. “So I asked ChatGPT4 what Australia’s tactics might likely be in this situation. The first response was vague so I pushed back and got a longer, well-argued response with Gabba-specific factors ending with the following summary.”

If Australia starts their second innings with a lead of 180 runs, expect them to:
• Bat for 2-2.5 hours or about 30-35 overs.
• Score 120-150 runs aggressively.
• Declare with a target lead of 300-330 runs.
• Aim to bowl India out across 4.5 to 5 sessions.

Hmmm. I’m not a GPT believer, Ivor. Aside from the main problems with LLMs that they’re environmentally destructive due to computing power and ethically bankrupt due to stealing all of the information they’re trained on, they just make too many errors if you ask them for actual facts. They can be useful if you provide your own information and ask for it to be assembled in a certain format, but people are using them to search for information and they can’t return it reliably.

See the US pundits recently who used LLMs to search for prior examples of US presidents pardoning family members, then went on TV citing people who didn’t exist, like Woodrow Wilson’s imaginary brother in law Hunter de Butts. Yep.

This version will have been able to scrape enough articles suggesting that teams like to set targets of 300-plus, so it’s thrown that in there. So far so good. But how is anyone supposed to bowl out a team in five sessions when there would only be two sessions available on day five? That exposes the limitations. AI is a misnomer given there’s no actual intelligence in the code.

Plenty of rain incoming on the radar, by the way. We’re not looking good today.

“Pretty obvious Mitch Marsh not fit enough to play as all-rounder,” writes Ross McGillivray. “Is his batting good enough to warrant selection? As every footy fan knows, playing guys with injuries in big games is fraught with danger. You can’t just jab a guy’s ankle every day in a five-day Test.”

Can’t argue with the all-rounder bit, as discussed below. As for runs, I suspect Mitch Marsh is a player people are very fast to lose faith in. He was vital last summer, made big runs in all three Pakistan Tests, and Australia would have lost two of them without him. Then he made an important 40 in Wellington when the team was sinking, and a match-winning 80 in Christchurch that set up Carey to pull off that tough chase.

So I think he still has credits, made some runs second dig in Perth this year when Australia were stuffed, and he’s only batted once in Adelaide and once in Brisbane since. Reckon he does still command his place for runs alone, but needs some more pretty soon. It’ll be hard to keep Cameron Green out once he’s fit again.

An email from Tim Thomas: “Given the increasing unpredictability in weather patterns, is it time Test cricket took a page from the surfing world and extended the window for play. Playing 5 days of 7 or 10 with the option for some being called off due to rain or heat, seems like a nice way to ensure a result. Broadcasters and sponsors may never go for it but given how the rest of the week is looking in Brisbane, I think it’d be ideal.”

The issue, Tim, is that administrators are going the other way, wanting to squeeze Tests down to four days. More predictable, easier to schedule. Extended periods would never work because there are costs to having staff and stadiums on standby and those costs increase every day, whereas broadcast revenue for a Test match is a one-off fee for the match, no matter how long it goes. So every extra day is more expenditure against no increase in income, aside from gate receipts which would negligible by day six or more.

The modern schedule is already so crowded that they barely squeeze in two-Test series most of the time, much less series where matches were unpredictably a week or more. So, I like the idea (bring back the timeless Test) but it would be impossible. The WTC final has one reserve day if required, and that’s as far as we’ll get.

“What do you do in the third innings?” asks Ruth Purdue by email. “Block Bumrah and smack the other bowler and see where you get to, or block out the day? Make a game of it with risk of losing?”

I think if Australia had four bowlers they’d be much more inclined to do this. Marsh clearly isn’t reliably fit, despite their protestations, given they used him for two overs with Hazlewood missing. I don’t think they’d want to bowl much more than 50 overs given the workload for Starc and Cummins ahead of Melbourne. But then, Test cricket is tough and you never know when you’ll next be in a winning position. I think it’s worth going for it today, because surely on a fifth-day pitch with rain about they’re a chance to take a few Indian wickets early as they have done in all but one innings this series.

Of course, all that said, we’re currently losing overs again because of weather. So perhaps there’s no point and they might as well save their bowlers and use the day as a batting net.

I’ll tell you who this day’s play does matter to, once they get on. Usman Khawaja. Nathan McSweeney. Marnus Labuschagne. They all need to work their way into this series, Labuschagne’s fifty in Adelaide notwithstanding. They’re on a hiding to nothing, really, if they have to bat against Bumrah on a dark humid day with little to gain, but they have to treat it as a chance to put together a good innings without much riding on it. A free hit.

Here’s a new one. We have a lightning delay. Everybody is leaving the ground, even the ground staff and the camera operators. A big dark thunderhead is cruising by like a container ship.

India trail by 185 coming into the third innings

WICKET! Deep st Carey b Head 31, India 260 for 10

78th over: India 258-9 (Bumrah 10, Deep 29) Lyon another over, they review for a bat-pad catch but there’s no contact.

77th over: India 257-9 (Bumrah 10, Deep 27) So there are 98 overs scheduled for the day, plus the one ball from Cummins (that over counts as part of yesterday). Two overs for a change of innings, if that doesn’t happen at lunch or tea, so two potential changes of innings from here means four overs. Take the total down to 94 overs. Every over India faces here is one less available to Australia for batting, or one less that India might have to face later.

Cummins bowls a snorter, moving off the seam. Bumrah fumbles at them, after Deep rotates strike with a push to point.

76th over: India 256-9 (Bumrah 10, Deep 27) Nathan Lyon rather than Mitchell Starc to start the day. I’d be getting Starc to fire down a yorker. Bumrah essays a sweep that misses the bat, but takes his arm, fine of leg slip for four leg byes. Runs be runs.

75th over: India 252-9 (Bumrah 10, Deep 27) Of course, Cummins only gets one ball, because they came off last night for bad light with five balls bowled of his over. Deep runs it into the cordon along the ground.

Here come Jasprit Bumrah and Akash Deep with the chance to do a little more thorning in Australian siding. And Pat Cummins with a chance at a five-for.

Here’s my wrap about how much fun it was yesterday.

Preamble

Geoff Lemon